Mackenzie loaned out

stevegull · Post by **stevegull** » 12 Nov 2013, 13:55

Mackenzie gets a loan move to Conference North side Gloucester City. Seems a good move. At least it is higher up the pyramid than Yeoman managed with his loan move!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24915186

Richinns · Post by **Richinns** » 12 Nov 2013, 14:09

Strange timing this - what with O'Connor unavailable for the weekend. Guess Cruise will be asked to cover again if either Pearce or Downes have a problem.

Post by **Dave** » 12 Nov 2013, 19:14

Don't think it's strange to be honest Rich, we have enough cover with both Pearce and Downes back fit, BSN is a very good standard, this move should benefit the lad.

AustrianAndyGull · Post by **AustrianAndyGull** » 13 Nov 2013, 11:47

As it's only a month and until O'Connor goes back then I suppose it is a good move for Kirtys but obviously when O'Connor goes back I expect Kirtys to be recalled at once (should he have not sustained any injury whilst turning out for them).

arcadia · Post by **arcadia** » 14 Nov 2013, 21:24

Richinns wrote:Strange timing this - what with O'Connor unavailable for the weekend. Guess Cruise will be asked to cover again if either Pearce or Downes have a problem.

This manager is intent on getting his own players in and players who are un tried like Kirtis, Thompson, and Yeoman have suffered. If Knill had done a better job in the Summer these players could have been the ones stepping in for the odd game gaining experience but Knill has not got the b-lls for that.

ferrarilover · Post by **ferrarilover** » 14 Nov 2013, 22:01

What job did you want Knill to do? He's signed some unbelievable players, really. We have absolutely no right to be attracting Pearce and Chappell and Knill has done well to attract the loanees he has under the circumstances we can offer both player and parent club.
Kirtys may just as well head out on loan. With the best will in the world, he isn't going to be anything like as good as O'Connor. Sitting on the bench (at best) each week isn't going to change that. Heading out on loan gets him some pitch time, a change of environment and some alternative training. It frees up a few quid a week for us to, perhaps, sign someone else or to pay the phone bill. Good news all round, if you ask me.

Matt.

CapeTownGull · Post by **CapeTownGull** » 16 Nov 2013, 10:06

This seems odd to me. I thought Knill would have learnt from recent experience when he lost both centre backs and bemoaned his bad luck. Sure it was unlucky to lose both but if either Downes or Pearce are injured or sent off today, he has no cover. Cruise is by all accounts not a centre back and should anyway be at left back. Hope Mackenzie comes back at end of the loan and is given chance to play.

thegreedygull · Post by **thegreedygull** » 16 Nov 2013, 10:52

All together now , we've have more loans than Wonga. On a serious point why loan someone out when there is very little competition for places.

Sunnysideup · Post by **Sunnysideup** » 16 Nov 2013, 12:13

CapeTownGull wrote:This seems odd to me. I thought Knill would have learnt from recent experience when he lost both centre backs and bemoaned his bad luck. Sure it was unlucky to lose both but if either Downes or Pearce are injured or sent off today, he has no cover. Cruise is by all accounts not a centre back and should anyway be at left back. Hope Mackenzie comes back at end of the loan and is given chance to play.

OConnor is only missing for one game is he not? Plus Kirtys will have a recall clause in the loan contract. Letting him out for a month of a properly competetive league will aid his development more than sitting on the bench and playing a reserve game once every 2 or 3 weeks. Even then, he's really not going to start ahead of Downes or Pearce at present is he.

CapeTownGull · Post by **CapeTownGull** » 16 Nov 2013, 12:46

After today i agree, but we could be found out if we get an injury during today's match.

AustrianAndyGull · Post by **AustrianAndyGull** » 16 Nov 2013, 13:06

CapeTownGull wrote:After today i agree, but we could be found out if we get an injury during today's match.

I held a similar view to you capetowngull but i can see it is a good move all round. If any of Pearce or Downes to have to off for whatever reason today then we put Cruise in there temporarily. I know Cruise isn't a centre back but Knill is not to blame for Cruise being not even remotely competent in that position. I do happen to think that Cruise could have done better than he has in that position possibly why Knill leaves him out now because he feels Tom has let him down when asked to fill in?

After all, before Cruise had to fill in he had wrestled the full back berth from Nico only to dropped again when the centre halves had returned which i found odd as Nico's form had hardly improved massively.

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