Torquay United Fans Forum

DTG wrote: You make a fair point GS. But you're right, it's not my intention. It strikes me that the Pro Football Clubs in Devon all have the same problem........they are having trouble getting fans thro the turnstiles. If ever there was a reason for the Devon clubs to collaborate, this would be it. A joint approach to Live Football in Devon, creative offers and marketing campaigns TARGETTED at the population most likely to buy the product. Bring back the excitement of the Live experience rather than the strerile couch potato one. Target the Prem supporting fans in Devon. Reach out to the Gulls/GAWS/Greek fans that don't go anymore. A Devon/W Country wide approach has benefits for all the clubs. Not least spreading the cost and creating a Devon Brand identity.

We are at the arse end of nowhere. Yet the West Country is one of the more affluent areas in the UK, a great place to live and with modern infrastructure removing the arse end pereception. Having said that, it means we have a captive audience on our doorstep who if they want to watch Prem football Live the nearest team is probably Southampton. This to me is a huge marketing benefit, if used creatively. Really, I see little downside to this other than the funding. But even this can be got around.

Gullscorer wrote:DTG, on the one hand you're disgusted with PAFC, and on the other hand you're quite happy to ride their coat tails. Some might say that smacks of hypocrisy, though I'm sure that's not your real intention. I presume you were merely being rhetorical.

Dissipating resources in the direction of a rival club with uncertain, perhaps even nebulous, outcomes, is not my idea of collaboration. Shouldn't we just be looking after our own house, and let Argyle do the same with theirs? And doesn't the FA have rules about collaboration between clubs (otherwise there would be far more of it going on)?

Jerry wrote: As any good Devonian will tell you, the Cornish are the enemy of all that is good in this world and must be contained at all costs! :na:

Gullscorer wrote: I was merely stating what I perceived to be the legal situation. Of course I feel sorry for people who have lost money, it's amiss of you to insinuate that I don't, and doubly amiss to imply that I tolerate fraud, but legalities take no account of emotion. The present owners of Plymouth Argyle are not to blame for the misjudgements of the previous owners, and neither are Argyle's fans. PAFC did not steal from the community, and if the previous owners had committed theft they would have been charged accordingly and brought to court. It was their bad business decisions which caused the problem, not James Brent, not the Argyle fans. Why should they be castigated for something which was not their fault?

As for collaboration and joint season tickets, are you having a laugh? Most potential supporters of both clubs can hardly afford to watch one home game a month. It's a deprived area. Only a small core of fans are able and willing to spend their money on frequent attendance at games, with travelling expenses on top. Collaboration really is a non-starter.

thegreedygull wrote:A hovel, been to Camborne recently ?

tomogull wrote: Hey - no racism on this site please !!! No doubt I'm one of Kernow's cousins (they all inter-breed on the other side of the Tamar) but always remember - you have to pay to get into Cornwall but to get back into Devon, it's free .......

Gullscorer wrote:We should not confuse Plymouth Argyle the football club with the people who owned the company that owned the club. This was not the fault of the football fans of Plymouth who did not deserve what happened, any more than the Gulls fans deserved a certain Mr Roberts sending us down to the Conference. We were lucky not to suffer the same fate as Argyle.

James Brent's consortium which now owns Argyle was not responsible for the previous owners' debts, but with Brent now in charge it looks as if the Pilgrims can look forward to a brighter future and, thanks to the Home Park re-developments and to Plymouth City Council, Argyle will eventually repay the money raised to secure that future.

The future's bright for the Gulls too, but we should retain our independence, and not worry about Torbay Council. Local authorities have their own financial problems, and their policies change over time. Our club is progressing nicely and sensibly, but we should be patient. Torquay United is a small club and will remain so even if we do a Yeovil with success on the pitch. If the club tries to act otherwise it may trip up financially and fall flat on it's face, but thankfully there seems to be little chance of that happening.

"DTG wrote:
Nice of you to be so generous with 17 million pounds worth of other peoples money GS. Didn't the Greeks go down for 5 Mill? Of course they both got nice new pitches and stands for the fraud so that's alright then.

What I'm suggesting is collaboration. For example a Joint Season Ticket. We play alternate weekends and STH's get to go to watch both teams. The financial logistics could be worked out I'm sure. Or how about a Support Devon Football Loyalty Card? All 3 teams could benefit from this. Sell it for 15 (fiver for each club) quid and sign up businesses from all over Devon to support it. Joint Youth and Training facilities etc.

Jerry wrote: As any good Devonian will tell you, the Cornish are the enemy of all that is good in this world and must be contained at all costs! :na:

Gullscorer wrote:We should not confuse Plymouth Argyle the football club with the people who owned the company that owned the club. This was not the fault of the football fans of Plymouth who did not deserve what happened, any more than the Gulls fans deserved a certain Mr Roberts sending us down to the Conference. We were lucky not to suffer the same fate as Argyle.

James Brent's consortium which now owns Argyle was not responsible for the previous owners' debts, but with Brent now in charge it looks as if the Pilgrims can look forward to a brighter future and, thanks to the Home Park re-developments and to Plymouth City Council, Argyle will eventually repay the money raised to secure that future.

The future's bright for the Gulls too, but we should retain our independence, and not worry about Torbay Council. Local authorities have their own financial problems, and their policies change over time. Our club is progressing nicely and sensibly, but we should be patient. Torquay United is a small club and will remain so even if we do a Yeovil with success on the pitch. If the club tries to act otherwise it may trip up financially and fall flat on it's face, but thankfully there seems to be little chance of that happening.

Kernowgull wrote:They are nothing to do with Cornwall. Cornwall is a wonderful, and beautiful part of the world. Plymouth is a hovel.

Thanks

Kernowgull