Can we afford to be promoted?

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Re: Can we afford to be promoted?

by fifa11tricks » 29 Mar 2011, 19:26

i don't think I can bring myself to go Manchester. Even to watch the Gulls in action

Re: Can we afford to be promoted?

by fifa11tricks » 29 Mar 2011, 19:25

NickGull wrote:Not at Wembley, it's Old Trafford, but I get your point. :~D
It's at Old Trafford this year is it? You lot know everything it's quality.

Re: Can we afford to be promoted?

by Plymouth Gull » 29 Mar 2011, 19:18

Not at Wembley, it's Old Trafford, but I get your point. :~D

Re: Can we afford to be promoted?

by fifa11tricks » 29 Mar 2011, 19:15

Not to be a git, but that it a depressing question. I hope we win the league (not really possible now but hey!). Auto-promotion will be fine although I would love to see Torquay win at Wembley again - hence more money.

I didn't realise the prize money was £5k for finishing 3rd. That takes the piss, some fan could gift us that and not even notice (if we were lucky)

Re: Can we afford to be promoted?

by SantaCruzScotty » 28 Mar 2011, 10:58

shaunicus wrote:I see what people mean in regards to the financial constraints, but approach it like Blackpool in that case. I'd love to see us go as we are now - playing fluid, attacking football with some talented young players, and adopt a nothing to lose attitude. So what if we go straight back down?
I agree with going straight back down, we would still get money for finishing in last place? or dont they do that anymore?
BUT! I've grown up to see little old torquay in divition 3/league 2 most of the time, i would want them to get bigger crowds, i liked it when we had to get a draw/win against barnet few years back and jason rees was my favorites player ever. I like my family/friends saying who the f*ck are Torquay.
Thats my torquay and always will be, would never want them to turn in to something like cardiff city.
If anything, stay down this year, next season, maybe try and reach late places of a cup and then get promoted with a bit more money to spend the season after?... Or am I on my own?


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Re: Can we afford to be promoted?

by shaunicus » 27 Mar 2011, 16:35

I see what people mean in regards to the financial constraints, but approach it like Blackpool in that case. I'd love to see us go as we are now - playing fluid, attacking football with some talented young players, and adopt a nothing to lose attitude. So what if we go straight back down?

Re: Can we afford to be promoted?

by andygull » 27 Mar 2011, 11:44

If we think like that then whats the point in having a football club? I'd much rather see my team get battered every week and never get anywhere, maybe even get relegated so that we can afford it. That would really increase plainmoor attendances! Of course its important to consolidate league status but we should be going all out to get promotion so that we can start to build a bigger more established higher tier club. Like Yeovil have done for example. Yes they have a bigger fanbase but they were a non league club a few years back. The more successful you are, the better teams you play and all the stay at home glory hunting fans will soon come back to plainmoor in their droves ( like all those who turned up at Wembley v Cambridge but would now rather watch Coronation Street than Aldershot at home on a cold wednesday evening! ). I'mtorquay til i die and i bloody well want success for this football club and its real fans and getting promoted is all that matters. I,m not saying i want us to be playing man u and arsenal within 5 years Notts Countyesque, that is quite clearly insanity but what i do want is to be in league 1 and then take it from there.

Re: Can we afford to be promoted?

by yellowmonkey » 27 Mar 2011, 11:21

I am sure one of our Directors stated that they wanted to consolidate League 2 status this season then push for promotion next season.

Re: Can we afford to be promoted?

by Fletch » 27 Mar 2011, 08:36

ferrarilover wrote:I wouldn't mind, but for coming bottom, yes BOTTOM, of the division, a feat which could be achieved by failing to fulfil a single fixture, score a single goal or even have a single shot all bloody season, Pompey were given £800,000. Add to this the simply staggering sum of £48,000,000 awarded to relegated clubs over a four year period following the drop and it does begin to look rather as if the FA might be taking the piss.
Matt.
Did you forget the tv rights money that has kicked in? Champions get £50 mill, 2nd £49 mill and so on down to 20th place ??? Disgraceful really :@

Re: Can we afford to be promoted?

by gullsflyinghigh » 27 Mar 2011, 08:29

bixieupnorth wrote:i guess the management would rather we went up thru playoffs?? maybe pb was told to concede that late goal and put the players so we dont end up in 2nd or 3rd??
Beggars can't be choosers. I'd be delighted with any form of promotion.
Also, I highly doubt that PB was told to drop 2 points, that's ridiculous. If he was I'm sure he wouldn't be sticking around at this club. I don't think the board lacks ambition, they want to win every game just like us, the fans, do.

Also, 100% agree with Burnhamgull's post above.

Re: Can we afford to be promoted?

by Burnhamgull » 27 Mar 2011, 08:00

Where's the ambition gone?

If you get promoted, you raise the profile of the club, get more income potentially and have a "bigger" club to be proud of. If we all worry about whether we can afford to go up, we might as well pack up and choose a premiership team to follow.

Do you think Blackpool fans had the same dilema last May? Football, and life, is all about improving yourself and pushing the boundaries. Yea we could get smashed every week but I'd sooner go to away games at Sheffield United, Crystal Palace, Yeovil and Sheffield Wednesday than Northampton, Crawley, Lincoln et al

Can we afford to go up? Who cares, let's just do it and worry about it when we get there.

Re: Can we afford to be promoted?

by ferrarilover » 27 Mar 2011, 02:43

luke97 wrote:Just chucking this out there to see any views, of course everyone wants to go up, but would it be any good for the long term future of the club?

Here are just a few of my observations on the subject

1. 3rd place 'prize money' for the auto promotion spot is 5K, thats right 5k, hardly going to help towards next seasons budget.

2. Last 2 seasons we have posted big losses at the club, going up will only increase costs without any guarantee of increased revenue - especially if work on the new grandstand reduces capacity to around 4,000 for most of next season.

3. Players will quite rightly expect bigger contracts, more outlay.

4. We seemingly can't afford to travel the day before a match and stay over, it's obvious the PB would have wanted to travel, but did
budget constraints overrule that decision?

My worry is that given what happened last time we went up, the club will over stretch itsself trying to be competitive, and we could end up crashing back down through the leagues.

It's up to the support within the bay and the surrounding area to get down to plainmoor, if they don't then we simply can't afford to go up in my opinion, no matter how much I would love to see it (especially at Old Trafford in the play off final)
I tried to find this out a couple of months ago with no luck, where did you get this information? I'm not doubting it, I'd just quite like to know for future reference.

Also, for comparison, in 09/10, Arsenal finished third in the greedy bastard division and were awarded £14,400,000. Or, approximately fourteen times the value of our whole club. :@
I wouldn't mind, but for coming bottom, yes BOTTOM, of the division, a feat which could be achieved by failing to fulfil a single fixture, score a single goal or even have a single shot all bloody season, Pompey were given £800,000. Add to this the simply staggering sum of £48,000,000 awarded to relegated clubs over a four year period following the drop and it does begin to look rather as if the FA might be taking the piss.

Matt.

Re: Can we afford to be promoted?

by royalgull » 26 Mar 2011, 18:25

Torquay can afford it if they do it the Dagenham way and just accept we're going to be fighting the bottom 4 all season, and there is no disgrace in that. We'd need to keep some of the loan nees, make one or two additions and get them right. The standard of football is better but not great still so i'd think we'd compete.

We're going to lose out from the League 1 relegation situation IF we did go up, we are almost certainly going to lose Argyle (guaranteed sellout) Swindon (4000 easily) and Bristol Rovers (same as Swindon) + 1 other. Whilst 'gaining' Scunthorpe and Preston and possibly Sheff Utd which would be a decent crowd. Southampton and Brighton are going up for me, which is another 2 big gates gone and we could see Bournemouth or Huddersfield go up, which again 2 big away supports gone.

So whilst promotion should be welcomed of course, in a funny way we'll probably lose out on gates being in League 1!!

If it's there we simply have to go for it we can't do anything about anyone else, it is there for us and I just hope we could do it. I'm not sure we'll get another chance as good as this one for a while.

Re: Can we afford to be promoted?

by Fletch » 26 Mar 2011, 17:58

Dream on doogull. Apart from a few clubs, away support will not be higher. How many do you think the likes of Rochdale, Hartlepool, Carlisle etc will bring down here?
As for signing players from "pedigree" clubs, how do you expect the club to afford the increased wages?
As yellowmonkey says, household budgets are starting to get tighter and, sad as it is to say, going to see the Gulls probably wont be uppermost in most peoples priority list.

Re: Can we afford to be promoted?

by doogull » 26 Mar 2011, 17:44

no monkey, the attendance will rise as we will be playing in a higher league and the away support will be higher and with playing in a higher league we will have a better chance of signing players that have been released from pedigree clubs got to remember when we went up last time clubs were still buying players at inflated prices from the lower tier, now players of a very good standard are being released because of finance not because they are s$$t but having the allure of L1 is a bigger draw than L2 so giving us a better chance of sighning players capable of playing and competing at the said level pf L1 also we are now playing football the in the manner that will also attract players I have every confidence in getting promoted and every confidence in staying there.

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