Manse on Twitter

[WestLondonYellow]

None of us are reallly free but if you make the effort to search out alternative theories you can learn so much about the world, I mean in positive way, sure there are a lot of negative things to discover but the reality is, once you do this, you are no longer forced to think the way the government/banksters want you to think. Knowledge is power, don't shy away from it it can change your life in. Good way.

[WestLondonYellow]

I thought what happened was precisely what this topic was about as manse a tweet was in direct relation. As far as I can see all posts have been relevant

[gullintwoplaces]

I thought what happened was precisely what this topic was about as manse a tweet was in direct relation. As far as I can see all posts have been relevant

Completely agree. Do I sense a move to stifle debate in the interests of trying to preserve the prevailing liberal, politically correct consensus, or should I say lack of consensus? Or should we start a new thread entitled "What should we do about the murdering scum that killed an innocent soldier, and about their supporters and apologists?"

[Rivo_7]

Lol, so the media don't form social opinion? Lolololol. Next you'll tell tv advertising is ineffective.

"No dice" and "conspiracy theory" oh well how can I retort such a reasoned argument.

Oh, I just did

The media only forms social opinion and tv advertising only works if individuals let it!

Everybody will have their own opinion on topics which will be based around what they have read, heard, seen or experienced. However it isnt the case that everything the media comes out with is the opinion of everyone who reads it!

Of course it will have an impact on some peoples opinions but that is exactly what it is there for, just because it doesnt tie in with or affect your opinion does not mean that it is wrong for it to affect other peoples!!

[Dave]

Hamza,Qatada, Bin Laden all very highly educated and intelligent people, does the problem really lie with the uneducated? Not sure it does.

[WestLondonYellow]

Rivo 7, how little you know. Trust me advertising works whether u know it or not. Companies don't spend millions for no reason. A lot of it is sub conscious

[Scott Brehaut]

Looking at the chains of tweets after the intial "retweet", it would appear that Lee doesn't agree with the initial statement.

Personally, I don't care if people want to come over to the UK (or Guernsey!!) and build a mosque. I don't care if people want to come over and build a huge tower and worship whatever god they wish - hell, they can worship the flying spaghetti monster if they want to....as long as they do it peacefully and harm nobody then that is fine with me.
However, the minute they start killing people to honour their "god", the minute they start stirring up racial hatrid, the minute they start making the streets unsafe - then they deserve whatever punishment is possible to hand out.

The possible issue with the crime that occurred today is that it was an act of terrorism - yet they appear to be British born....to where can you deport them? They are British born and ce, but you can't deport a British citizen....if they have come from elsewhere then, yes, deport. However, in this case it is not as cut and dried as that.

[Scott Brehaut]

Lol, so the media don't form social opinion? Lolololol. Next you'll tell tv advertising is ineffective.

"No dice" and "conspiracy theory" oh well how can I retort such a reasoned argument.

Oh, I just did

Ah, I see you found the thread that us nasty "Gestapo" lot had "removed" then......

[WestLondonYellow]

Who was bin laden really though? Why was he so close with the CIA?? Did you know this? Did u also know he had kidney failure and needed daily dialysis yet somehow survived in a cave for years.

[WestLondonYellow]

@ Scott, re Gestapo, yes, sorry about that.

[gullintwoplaces]

The possible issue with the crime that occurred today is that it was an act of terrorism - yet they appear to be British born....to where can you deport them? They are British born and ce, but you can't deport a British citizen....if they have come from elsewhere then, yes, deport. However, in this case it is not as cut and dried as that.

And that is the problem that we need to find a solution to. You could make them stateless and just put them on a plane to a country that is more in keeping with their loyalties (Somalia?). If you remove their British citizenship, then they are no longer British citizens. And yes I know that the Human Rights Act would make that impossible, but I would argue that we need to remove the principle of universality from "Human Rights" (i.e. they are "rights" that can be removed).

[Richinns]

Rivo 7, how little you know. Trust me advertising works whether u know it or not. Companies don't spend millions for no reason. A lot of it is sub conscious

How patronising are you? - I feel like you think we should all bow to your 'supposed' superiority.

Of-course advertising works - it is all about becoming a recognised and therefore dominant brand within its own market place. This is both conscious and subconscious but there is a bigger factor in all this which is the individual choice.

As for your conspiracy theories of media - it just does not work as you suggest, as it cannot be controlled. Technology has created a very much globalised world and although one medium may report a certain thing in a certain way, a different perspective and viewpoint is easily available to any individual. Again - it is about choice and whether the individual chooses to search out other perspectives or is happy with the information they are receiving. What is very apparent is that information cannot be controlled completely as it would be far too easy to find examples which illustrate this control and false reporting. The only example where this might work as you suggest is North Korea but this example cannot be applied across other countries or cultures.

Although I see some valid reason behind some of your suggestions the reality of what you actually produce is nonsensical and reeks of 1 too many spliffs or pills during your ‘experimenting’ in the 60’s!

[usagullmichigan]

Looking at the chains of tweets after the intial "retweet", it would appear that Lee doesn't agree with the inital statement.

Personally, I don't care if people want to come over to the UK (or Guernsey!!) and build a mosque. I don't care if people want to come over and build a huge tower and worship whatever god they wish - hell, they can worship the flying spaghetti monster if they want to....as long as they do it peacefully and harm nobody then that is fine with me.
However, the minute they start killing people to honour their "god", the minute they start stirring up racial hatrid, the minute they start making the streets unsafe - then they deserve whatever punishment is possible to hand out.

The possible issue with the crime that occurred today is that it was an act of terrorism - yet they appear to be British born....to where can you deport them? They are British born and ce, but you can't deport a British citizen....if they have come from elsewhere then, yes, deport. However, in this case it is not as cut and dried as that.

My personal opinion is this.....You come to the UK you have to pass a basic english language test paid for by the person, You are not allowed to claim any government funds for 3 years (benefits). You are on probation for for 3 years, one strike you are out.

My mum worked in the benefits section of Torbay council and the amount of non english speaking claimants was unreal. An interpreter had to be brought in at our cost.

The 2 idiots yesterday are quite clearly british, they are using religion as an excuse to do what they did. They are nutters and wanted to kill someone for their own kicks and be famous for it.

[Rivo_7]

WLY i am aware that advertising can influence people sub consciously but that does not then mean that everybody will be influenced by everything in the media!

Your comment about Bin Laden needing dialysis, may I ask how you know this? Was it from some form of media, as going on your argument that would not necessarily make it fact....

[WestLondonYellow]

I'm not trying to be patronising, sometimes through text, tone is easy to misconstrue.

Re dialysis, I found out (and still don't take it as 100% fact) through alternative news, and interviews with people who have worked for alphabet agencies and are now exposing them and their tactics.

There are many many different sources and ways to cross check information.