The Di Canio explosion

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Said it before, managing a club in league 2 with a top end league 1/ bottom end championship budget isn't overly difficult for someone who has been a player and has some coaching quailifications, you hit a problem the club has the money to take a small hit by moving a player out and bringing in a new player, and because of the clubs status attracting players is easy aswell.

Going to a club like Sunderland was allway going to be a big test, unfashionable club as said before, not the biggest budget in the premier league and working with players who have a few million in the bank, so all this my way or the highway stuff will not work. there not like league 1/2 players who do not know where their next contract is coming from, Sunderland players know they can and will get a move to another top flight club if not here, somewhere.

Agreed, totaly out of his depth, big mistake that could cost Sunderland an awful lot money if they are relegated.
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njgull wrote:I really need Jozy Altidore to be in top form heading into the World Cup next year. So I really need Sunderland to get rid of Di Canio like right this very minute. Who ever thought putting a certified crazy person in charge of a Premier League team was a good idea?
I need Altidore to be doing better as well because I've made several bets with people who think that he's useless. If he gets more than 10 goals this season, I'm making a fortune!

Also Klinsmann's strategy for the USMNT works so much better with Altidore; Eddie Johnson isn't good enough at holding up play and Wondolowski...just probably isn't good enough. (alas, because he's the nicest footballer I've ever met)
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Whatever one thinks of Di Canio the man or Di Canio the manager, I think many people are missing the real issue here. It may or may not have been idiotic of Sunderland to appoint him as manager in the first place, but it is equally idiotic of them to sack him now, just as it would have been stupid of Torquay United to sack Alan Knill now, before giving him or any other manager sufficient time to build and develop a new team capable of achieving something, after a close season of numerous comings and goings. Too many clubs want instant success, but it ain't possible. Budgets aren't everything. Other managerial qualities are far more important. Di Canio, and many other managers, may or may not possess them. But if he and they are not given sufficient time to do the job, how will anybody ever know?
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Gullscorer wrote:Whatever one thinks of Di Canio the man or Di Canio the manager, I think many people are missing the real issue here. It may or may not have been idiotic of Sunderland to appoint him as manager in the first place, but it is equally idiotic of them to sack him now, just as it would have been stupid of Torquay United to sack Alan Knill now, before giving him or any other manager sufficient time to build and develop a new team capable of achieving something, after a close season of numerous comings and goings. Too many clubs want instant success, but it ain't possible. Budgets aren't everything. Other managerial qualities are far more important. Di Canio, and many other managers, may or may not possess them. But if he and they are not given sufficient time to do the job, how will anybody ever know?
Possibly true, with the exception being that if Di Canio has proven himself completely incapable of doing even a half-decent job. If the situation is (as has been suggestion) that he's completely lost the trust of the players, they have to get rid of him before they find themselves twenty points away from safety. The board is of course culpable for hiring him; while strict discipline might work on League 1/League 2 players, it sure as snot won't get him anywhere with guys who are already millionaires and don't need to worry about playing to get the mortgage payment. Anthoer place the board is culpable is that is looks like most of the players they brought in were bought without a lot of consultation from Di Canio. Regardless of how good a manager he might be, nobody can build a squad without having at least some say in the players that are acquired.
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Gullscorer wrote:Whatever one thinks of Di Canio the man or Di Canio the manager, I think many people are missing the real issue here. It may or may not have been idiotic of Sunderland to appoint him as manager in the first place, but it is equally idiotic of them to sack him now, just as it would have been stupid of Torquay United to sack Alan Knill now, before giving him or any other manager sufficient time to build and develop a new team capable of achieving something, after a close season of numerous comings and goings. Too many clubs want instant success, but it ain't possible. Budgets aren't everything. Other managerial qualities are far more important. Di Canio, and many other managers, may or may not possess them. But if he and they are not given sufficient time to do the job, how will anybody ever know?
Would agree with you in normal circumstances but in this case it clearly wasn't working and the situation was deteriorating fast.
Di Canio had alienated the fans and his public pronouncements about the players just made the club look stupid.
Looks like the control freak actually wasn't given much control when it came to buying players,so he chose to criticise them rather than dealing with the underlying problem that the club didn't actually trust him. Makes the Chairman look an idiot for giving Di Canio the job in the first place-this appointment was always doomed to failure and looks like Sunderland will still have major problems off the field.Will be a dificult job for whoever comes in-Di Matteo,Poyet,Pulis,McCleish?
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Hmm, agreed. Sunderland have now gone through five managers I think in two years. It certainly makes you question the competence of those who run the club, even more than that of Di Canio himself, who is probably well out of it, and may yet prove himself again worthy of a manager's job at another club with or without a sizeable budget.
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Seems that Sunderland's board could have averted at least some of the problems with Di Canio by checking with Swindon and learning how to handle that kind of character. Swindon's ex-chief Nick Watkins speaks a lot of sense in that article. Perhaps Di Canio should go on a few management courses and learn to control his ego, as Paul Buckle did.. :)
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It was an awful appointment. The only saving grace was that they needed a short term boost to bump them over the safety line last season and secure another year in the Premier league at £80m a year, or whatever the figure is now. Long term, he is too crazy to be trusted as a manager. In League Two, he carried just enough weight to bully the Swindon players and replace anyone who rebelled. When those players are on £30k a week and it is too expensive to replace someone after every defeat his style of management doesn't work. He will have to move to Italy for his next job as I think his days are numbered here.
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If I was considering appointing a person to a senior post in any organisation that I have managed in the past then I am sure that endless newspaper articles (suggesting that the person was (a) extremely volatile, (b) had "unususal" man management skills, (c) fell out with others on a regular basis and (d) had threatened to attack other staff etc.) would have persuaded me to appoint somebody else.
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gullintwoplaces wrote:If I was considering appointing a person to a senior post in any organisation that I have managed in the past then I am sure that endless newspaper articles (suggesting that the person was (a) extremely volatile, (b) had "unususal" man management skills, (c) fell out with others on a regular basis and (d) had threatened to attack other staff etc.) would have persuaded me to appoint somebody else.
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Sunderland played very well today, fed by the adrenaline of ridding Di Canio from the club and a rocking Stadium of Light. They could have done with winning the game though, and carrying the momentum on.

Had they played anyone other than a top 6 side, they would have got a result.
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