Time to drop Manse?

ferrarilover · Post by **ferrarilover** » 27 Oct 2013, 00:20

Hmmm, he's managed to salvage the situation in the nick of time. Yesterday only bought him a week though. It's easy to play like that against Pompey, in front of a big crowd and in an important game with a lead to protect. It's quite another thing away at Bury at a goal down.

Matt.

Burnhamgull · Post by **Burnhamgull** » 27 Oct 2013, 07:54

I've been calling for Mansell to be dropped for several weeks. I said the same about Nico and, when he was dropped, his return to the team brought about an improvement in his own performance.

Knill should remove Manse for a couple of games to give him a break. I agree with others that Manse won't be playing badly deliberately, he's lost form and confidence and to continue flogging him is not doing anybody any good. Lathrope is perfectly capable in the middle alongside Mozika or Harding. I don't rate McCourt.

Post by **MidDevon** » 27 Oct 2013, 08:40

Yesterday was Mansell's best performance of the season IMO....by some way

I think we have to remember he played a lot deeper against Portsmouth with other midfielders in front of him. This meant that for the vast majority of the match he played simple short balls, which was exactly the right thing to do.....and on the whole his distribution was good.

For me it was also noticable that he got less involved in set pieces, rather than stand over the ball and decide "ad-hoc" what should happen, and of course, from memory, he did not even attempt a corner.

Pompey were possibly the least "aggresive" side we have played against, and we had (IMO) a fantastic ref, which meant he got less frustrated at the usual gamesmanship, aggressive tackles and poor ref decisions etc than he normally would.

All of this allowed him to be more focused on his job, rather than blaming all around him for everything that went wrong

ethantufcbaker · Post by **ethantufcbaker** » 27 Oct 2013, 08:48

Manse did play well yesterday I didn't like the ref but I don't think we can drop manse really he is our leader and shapes the team. Btw manse has seen this thread so his confidence isnt going to be great now guys

Post by **Dave** » 27 Oct 2013, 08:59

How earth could anyone not have liked that ref, he was by some way the best ref I've seen at Plainmoor for some time, interesting thing was, I never once heard any fan in the area i stand get on the refs back, and normally there is more than a few going nuts at the ref, if he was no good, then you never ever find a good ref.

As for Manse yesterday was the Manse of old and welcome back, we can't just dismiss that as one game, his leadership, drive and determination was there for us all to see, unless you're blind, he must at least be given the chance to show that again, so right now, no, it is not right time to drop him.

Post by **MidDevon** » 27 Oct 2013, 09:15

Forevertufc

I think you can dismiss that as one game, until we see some consistent performances.

Whilst I know your post was not especially having a go at mine, things may be well different if we have a crap ref next Saturday, go down to an early goal, get a couple of bookings and things are generally not going well.....that is when leaders need to keep calm and show why they have their privallidged position

As I said I hope he plays a blinder next week and we come back from the North West with 3 points.

Pity I won't be there as I have a personal dis-respect for Bury and will never set foot in their ground again as I know a few other fans do also.

Post by **Dave** » 27 Oct 2013, 09:30

My post was wasn't referring to yours in anyway MidDevon, I do agree with everything you say, however I just think that if Mansell hadn't played yesterday we may not have held on for the point, his leadership and determination helped drive the team, and reason why I say you can't dismiss that as oHawleyne game, is we have seen this from Mansell many times before, and if he does it in one game, he must be given the chance to do it in the next, and so and so on.

And I just wonder, if you drop Mansell, who takes over as captain ? Who will give us the same leadership, Azeez, McCallum, Hawley, Chapell who. Downes maybe ?

hector · Post by **hector** » 27 Oct 2013, 10:08

forevertufc wrote:My post was wasn't referring to yours in anyway MidDevon, I do agree with everything you say, however I just think that if Mansell hadn't played yesterday we may not have held on for the point, his leadership and determination helped drive the team, and reason why I say you can't dismiss that as oHawleyne game, is we have seen this from Mansell many times before, and if he does it in one game, he must be given the chance to do it in the next, and so and so on.

And I just wonder, if you drop Mansell, who takes over as captain ? Who will give us the same leadership, Azeez, McCallum, Hawley, Chapell who. Downes maybe ?

If for some reason, Mansell was unavailable or dropped, based on yesterday, I thought Krystian Pearce, looked every inch a captain, with the way he played and was cajoling the rest of his team-mates. He looked a potential leader, I thought.

Post by **Dave** » 27 Oct 2013, 16:06

hector wrote: If for some reason, Mansell was unavailable or dropped, based on yesterday, I thought Krystian Pearce, looked every inch a captain, with the way he played and was cajoling the rest of his team-mates. He looked a potential leader, I thought.

That's a good call hector, think either Pearce or Downes could do a job as captain, however still think neither would bring the same quality of leadership that manse does.

ferrarilover · Post by **ferrarilover** » 27 Oct 2013, 18:28

Downer if he's available, he's been here longer, is a bit older and probably commands more respect in the dressing room than Pearce.

Manse has got wind of this thread via Twitter. So, question is, who has he chosen this time to posture up to before limping off into the darkness?

Matt.

ferrarilover · Post by **ferrarilover** » 27 Oct 2013, 19:30

It's ok for players to know about threads, provided on one dares suggest that plucking eyebrows isn't a proper job... :devil:

Matt.

arcadia · Post by **arcadia** » 27 Oct 2013, 20:42

ferrarilover wrote:Hmmm, he's managed to salvage the situation in the nick of time. Yesterday only bought him a week though. It's easy to play like that against Pompey, in front of a big crowd and in an important game with a lead to protect. It's quite another thing away at Bury at a goal down.

Matt.

Mans has proved he's better than all the posts and he's been no worse than any other player but Saturday he was better than most get off his back!

tomogull · Post by **tomogull** » 27 Oct 2013, 20:46

arcadia wrote: Mans has proved he's better than all the posts and he's been no worse than any other player but Saturday he was better than most get off his back!

Here, here - well said, Arcadia. This thread started off by saying 'this is not a witch hunt' but that is exactly what it has become.

ferrarilover · Post by **ferrarilover** » 28 Oct 2013, 12:21

Yeah, he was good for an hour and a half, good job that's the only match he's played this season...

Matt.

arcadia · Post by **arcadia** » 28 Oct 2013, 17:01

ferrarilover wrote:Yeah, he was good for an hour and a half, good job that's the only match he's played this season...

Matt.

Mans has been one of the better players this season don't know what games you have watched! When he does not play well, he does not hide like a few others. There have not been many,that have played well.

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