Torquay United vs Boreham Wood
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knightmaregull
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We came 2nd in the league by 2 goals and lost a one off eliminator match by 1 goal. All against backdrop of being hours from oblivion less than a year ago. Perspective needed here people!
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simjones1980
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What can I say…not the ending we wanted!
Firstly, love this club, love what the brin consortium have achieved and we can honestly say we are now one club again!! Starting with just 1 player, to finish second is a great achievement.
However, today was there for the taking. To have 5700 fans, home advantage and a pass through to the semi’s meant we should have capitalised! We have been on the front foot in the last 4/5 games so keeping that momentum was key. I’m a bit disappointed what’s went with the defensive formation, nick it tactics…this played right into their hands and made our home advantage negligible. Too many players has an off day, front 3 barely got a look in and I think we were well done over. This hurts and makes me question mentality alot.
Please let’s try and win this league next season!! This club doesn’t belong at this level with this tremendous fan base!
Firstly, love this club, love what the brin consortium have achieved and we can honestly say we are now one club again!! Starting with just 1 player, to finish second is a great achievement.
However, today was there for the taking. To have 5700 fans, home advantage and a pass through to the semi’s meant we should have capitalised! We have been on the front foot in the last 4/5 games so keeping that momentum was key. I’m a bit disappointed what’s went with the defensive formation, nick it tactics…this played right into their hands and made our home advantage negligible. Too many players has an off day, front 3 barely got a look in and I think we were well done over. This hurts and makes me question mentality alot.
Please let’s try and win this league next season!! This club doesn’t belong at this level with this tremendous fan base!
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UnitedinDevon
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MellowYellow wrote: 03 May 2025, 18:49 Quickly moving on from the disappointment it is not unheard of for a good team to fall short due to very tough opponents and we all knew that Boreham Wood were just that. Having started with a blank sheet of paper at the beginning of the season to missing out on automatic promotion by goal difference was miraculous in itself. Were we really ready for the next level up? I saw enough matches, even the winning one's, to think not. A struggling Torquay United in the National League would quickly deflate the fans enthusiasm. Better to look at this season as one of development to push on for next season. With attendances at record highs we ought to be able to bring in a few high quality players to compliment our key squad players and strengthen our weak positions of which there are a number. For these reasons I cannot view todays defeat as failure but rather another stepping stone of better thing to come.I am already looking forward to next season.
Gutted, can take losing if we'd given it a go but we were so far off the pace
Thought Young was terrible and I'm not sure what mussa was doing when he game on
The goal for them was coming, we needed changes earlier to had have an impact
Boreham wood deserved it, planning for next year begins!
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The Great Muta!
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Gulls so unlucky to miss out on automatic promotion and the title by 2 or 3 goals, Play offs are a lottery...I thought at the start of the season we'd be top 10, due to a whole new squad and it usually takes untill Christmas before you get any rhythm going...PW has done a super job, roll on next season, just wondering who'll stay or go players wise?, and where do we need to strengthen?.
Just watched PW interview post game. One comment cracked it, the ‘game highlighted our deficiencies which have been there all season.’ Interested to see who stays and comes in MIDFIELD!
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gullno4
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A sad way for Deano to bow out. He’s been incredible for us over the past few years. Will be hard to replace. Think he’s due to join up with Asa at Tiverton and take up a coaching role at Exeter City.
The gulls are going up
Oh dear, such petulance at the moment, with plebs and morons in ascendance it would seem.
Just a couple of things I have taken from the previous posts: 'not being promoted doesn't matter, because look at where we were at the end of last season!' We weren't promoted last season, and we haven't been promoted this season - so what's the difference?
I have found something to cap the above mentioned though: "The club doesn't belong at this level with this tremendous fan base!"
So that's the theory of Yin and Yang out of the window then!
Just a couple of things I have taken from the previous posts: 'not being promoted doesn't matter, because look at where we were at the end of last season!' We weren't promoted last season, and we haven't been promoted this season - so what's the difference?
I have found something to cap the above mentioned though: "The club doesn't belong at this level with this tremendous fan base!"
So that's the theory of Yin and Yang out of the window then!
I've no idea but from what PW says the core of the squad will be here next season. Its fairly obvious where our deficiencies are. Defensively we are pretty good but midfield is our big issue. We are crying out for some pace and power across the midfield. Cody is so isolated upfront and the endless long balls to him just never work and we need another quality striker. Boreham wood just looked on a different level physically yesterday.
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UnitedinDevon
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BizarreDilmond wrote: Yesterday, 09:49 Oh dear, such petulance at the moment, with plebs and morons in ascendance it would seem.
Just a couple of things I have taken from the previous posts: 'not being promoted doesn't matter, because look at where we were at the end of last season!' We weren't promoted last season, and we haven't been promoted this season - so what's the difference?
I have found something to cap the above mentioned though: "The club doesn't belong at this level with this tremendous fan base!"
So that's the theory of Yin and Yang out of the window then!
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Having just watched the highlights it was only a very good one handed save by Ashmore in the final minutes of added time which prevented a Jordan Young equalizer.
Overall our young side looked second best in the first half when Boreham Wood looked quicker and very determined to impose themselves on the game.
Our lack of pace in the mid field, as has been the case all season, meant we did not have a controller or ball winner resulting in poor service to Cody Cooke.
Paul Wotton knows exactly what we need for next season and both he and the team should feel proud of themselves.
This was a super human effort by a new squad put together in record time by Wotton and although we failed to gain promotion it was certainly not due to a lack of effort.
Overall our young side looked second best in the first half when Boreham Wood looked quicker and very determined to impose themselves on the game.
Our lack of pace in the mid field, as has been the case all season, meant we did not have a controller or ball winner resulting in poor service to Cody Cooke.
Paul Wotton knows exactly what we need for next season and both he and the team should feel proud of themselves.
This was a super human effort by a new squad put together in record time by Wotton and although we failed to gain promotion it was certainly not due to a lack of effort.
Haven't been able to get to many games this season, and unfortunately most recent two were Chesham and yesterday! My thoughts, on an A* - F scale, C being average.
Team (Overall) - D
Too many players had average games, not enough stepped up to the occasion. First few minutes we looked bright, but then the nerves began to show, and we didn't look brave enough to take a step forward in the press, resulting in Boreham Wood winning the vast majority of knock-downs and 50/50s. As a team, we are direly lacking in pace on the wings, and too many of our midfielders are great technically but lack in the defensive side of the game - we were crying out for a Hockley or Mansell figure today. Noticed too much bickering and throwing up of arms for my liking, seemed to get frustrated too easily, but this was very much a feedback loop with the crowd in fairness.
Hamon: A - Kept us in the game with several great saves, particularly that sprawling stop in the first half, and some brave one-on-one standing up against the late counters.
Thomas: C - Seemed nervy and didn't offer an awful lot going forward, needed to see some more overlaps on the right.
Dyer: D - A series of misplaced passes in the first half stood out, and most of Boreham's good work came down the right side of our defence.
Dreyer: B - Really like the look of him, really got stuck in and drove forward (with admittedly mixed success) a few times when options weren't showing ahead of him.
Foulston: C - Made some cracking runs early on that people didn't find, but then started to fade going forward. Solid enough defensively.
Threlkeld: E - Seemed miles off the pace, one or two moments that showed the experience he was probably started for, but failed to marshal the midfield effectively.
Hasani: B - Didn't do everything perfectly, but one of our players who looks most comfortable with the ball at his feet, and willing to try aggressive passes.
Hayfield: D - In many ways worse than a "D" in that I didn't really notice him at all, not seen him enough to know what he's supposed to bring but wasn't impressed.
Young: C - Got absolutely bullied by Illesanmi, but the sparks he showed made me feel like a "B" from him could have changed the game, so perhaps the most disappointing performance for our hopes.
Jay: C - Obviously wanted to press higher up, but resulted in a few Bruno Fernandes-esqe wastes of energy sprinting around triangles. A real enigma, in that he looked brilliant when he dropped into the 10 role, feel he would comfortably be a League player...if he had an extra few inches of height and a yard extra pace. Tracking for their goal wasn't ideal, but to be fair I wouldn't be putting him in a position where he needs to track back.
Cooke: E - Not sure if he's super slow or just doesn't like sprinting, but lost a series of 50/50s and loose balls that you simply can't afford in a game like this. Not strong enough for his lack of speed.
Jenkins-Davies: C - Looked lively and classy on the ball, but didn't show for the ball as often as I'd like when the crowd were getting antsy when we could have used his technical ability.
Mussa: C - I'm guessing he was peeved at not starting, because he bounced between absolute class on the ball and overplaying. Looked way better in the deeper role than when I saw him further forward against Chesham. Moments of "B", moments of "D".
Ash: C - Not on long enough to judge, lively but feel like to be a striker at this level you need to be either quick or strong/tall, and isn't really either; unsure why we didn't stick on Ilesanmi as another lump to target given Boreham's height disadvantage.
Palmer: C - Again, not on long enough to make a judgement.
Moxey: C - The composure and clarity he showed in 10 minutes were what we should have got from Threlkeld, although not on for long he was pushing a "B". Honestly wonder if he could have come on a little sooner, and feel like Foulston could have come off instead of Jay (no matter how tired he was at that point).
Wotton: D - It was clear at half time that things weren't working, but shape stayed the same until the goal. I actually didn't mind our relatively-deep line, as their only threat was through pace and in transition / broken-play (as per their goal), but we failed to press when the situation demanded it, given the Boreham centre backs were nothing special on the ball. If nothing else, our passiveness served to turn the crowd off.
Fans - B
Would love to give an A / A* for a capacity crowd, BUT, speaking as someone who hasn't been to Plainmoor loads recently...Christ, the scars of recent seasons are clear to see. On a day where we needed non-stop encouragement, the groans and yells of abuse when things didn't go right were painful. We slid into a cycle of nerves on the pitch causing the crowd to go quiet, causing the nerves to increase. The drum is an incredible tool, and the little tour of the ground at the start was brilliant, but (politely) whoever is playing it needs to KEEP PLAYING, if anything LOUDER, when things aren't going our way; gently tapping the drum in a rhythm for five seconds hoping people start to join in isn't the way. HOWEVER...the atmosphere for the last 15 was utterly electric, feel like if we could have nicked an (undeserved) equaliser then the crowd could have carried us to a win in extra time.
The Big Picture
I think if you'd have offered us this finish at the start of the season given everything that our club has been through, we'd have jumped on it. The frustration has (understandably) come from the series of throw-aways, scraped wins and defensive performances, only to see just what we can do when we actually try to attack. I don't agree with the Wotton out chat at all, BUT the owners / Warnock / a senior figure do need to sit down with him and get him to analyse where we've been lacking this season.
The closeness at the top of the table showed that being organised and difficult to beat will get you in the mix, but a look at the past few (complete) seasons* shows that you need at least a 60% win ratio to guarantee top spot; our 54% just isn't going to do it. If we can add some pace out wide, an extra bit of bite in midfield, and be a bit more swashbuckling, I think we can push on and win this league.
*23/24 - Yeovil 63%, 22/23 - Ebbsfleet 70%, 21/22 - Maidstone 68%, 18/19 - Torquay 64%, 17/18 - Havant 60%.
Team (Overall) - D
Too many players had average games, not enough stepped up to the occasion. First few minutes we looked bright, but then the nerves began to show, and we didn't look brave enough to take a step forward in the press, resulting in Boreham Wood winning the vast majority of knock-downs and 50/50s. As a team, we are direly lacking in pace on the wings, and too many of our midfielders are great technically but lack in the defensive side of the game - we were crying out for a Hockley or Mansell figure today. Noticed too much bickering and throwing up of arms for my liking, seemed to get frustrated too easily, but this was very much a feedback loop with the crowd in fairness.
Hamon: A - Kept us in the game with several great saves, particularly that sprawling stop in the first half, and some brave one-on-one standing up against the late counters.
Thomas: C - Seemed nervy and didn't offer an awful lot going forward, needed to see some more overlaps on the right.
Dyer: D - A series of misplaced passes in the first half stood out, and most of Boreham's good work came down the right side of our defence.
Dreyer: B - Really like the look of him, really got stuck in and drove forward (with admittedly mixed success) a few times when options weren't showing ahead of him.
Foulston: C - Made some cracking runs early on that people didn't find, but then started to fade going forward. Solid enough defensively.
Threlkeld: E - Seemed miles off the pace, one or two moments that showed the experience he was probably started for, but failed to marshal the midfield effectively.
Hasani: B - Didn't do everything perfectly, but one of our players who looks most comfortable with the ball at his feet, and willing to try aggressive passes.
Hayfield: D - In many ways worse than a "D" in that I didn't really notice him at all, not seen him enough to know what he's supposed to bring but wasn't impressed.
Young: C - Got absolutely bullied by Illesanmi, but the sparks he showed made me feel like a "B" from him could have changed the game, so perhaps the most disappointing performance for our hopes.
Jay: C - Obviously wanted to press higher up, but resulted in a few Bruno Fernandes-esqe wastes of energy sprinting around triangles. A real enigma, in that he looked brilliant when he dropped into the 10 role, feel he would comfortably be a League player...if he had an extra few inches of height and a yard extra pace. Tracking for their goal wasn't ideal, but to be fair I wouldn't be putting him in a position where he needs to track back.
Cooke: E - Not sure if he's super slow or just doesn't like sprinting, but lost a series of 50/50s and loose balls that you simply can't afford in a game like this. Not strong enough for his lack of speed.
Jenkins-Davies: C - Looked lively and classy on the ball, but didn't show for the ball as often as I'd like when the crowd were getting antsy when we could have used his technical ability.
Mussa: C - I'm guessing he was peeved at not starting, because he bounced between absolute class on the ball and overplaying. Looked way better in the deeper role than when I saw him further forward against Chesham. Moments of "B", moments of "D".
Ash: C - Not on long enough to judge, lively but feel like to be a striker at this level you need to be either quick or strong/tall, and isn't really either; unsure why we didn't stick on Ilesanmi as another lump to target given Boreham's height disadvantage.
Palmer: C - Again, not on long enough to make a judgement.
Moxey: C - The composure and clarity he showed in 10 minutes were what we should have got from Threlkeld, although not on for long he was pushing a "B". Honestly wonder if he could have come on a little sooner, and feel like Foulston could have come off instead of Jay (no matter how tired he was at that point).
Wotton: D - It was clear at half time that things weren't working, but shape stayed the same until the goal. I actually didn't mind our relatively-deep line, as their only threat was through pace and in transition / broken-play (as per their goal), but we failed to press when the situation demanded it, given the Boreham centre backs were nothing special on the ball. If nothing else, our passiveness served to turn the crowd off.
Fans - B
Would love to give an A / A* for a capacity crowd, BUT, speaking as someone who hasn't been to Plainmoor loads recently...Christ, the scars of recent seasons are clear to see. On a day where we needed non-stop encouragement, the groans and yells of abuse when things didn't go right were painful. We slid into a cycle of nerves on the pitch causing the crowd to go quiet, causing the nerves to increase. The drum is an incredible tool, and the little tour of the ground at the start was brilliant, but (politely) whoever is playing it needs to KEEP PLAYING, if anything LOUDER, when things aren't going our way; gently tapping the drum in a rhythm for five seconds hoping people start to join in isn't the way. HOWEVER...the atmosphere for the last 15 was utterly electric, feel like if we could have nicked an (undeserved) equaliser then the crowd could have carried us to a win in extra time.
The Big Picture
I think if you'd have offered us this finish at the start of the season given everything that our club has been through, we'd have jumped on it. The frustration has (understandably) come from the series of throw-aways, scraped wins and defensive performances, only to see just what we can do when we actually try to attack. I don't agree with the Wotton out chat at all, BUT the owners / Warnock / a senior figure do need to sit down with him and get him to analyse where we've been lacking this season.
The closeness at the top of the table showed that being organised and difficult to beat will get you in the mix, but a look at the past few (complete) seasons* shows that you need at least a 60% win ratio to guarantee top spot; our 54% just isn't going to do it. If we can add some pace out wide, an extra bit of bite in midfield, and be a bit more swashbuckling, I think we can push on and win this league.
*23/24 - Yeovil 63%, 22/23 - Ebbsfleet 70%, 21/22 - Maidstone 68%, 18/19 - Torquay 64%, 17/18 - Havant 60%.
So home advantage means nothing then. Fingers crossed for Maidstone, purely for the journey and plastic pitch.
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