Totally agree, utterly pointless.novicegull wrote:well said southamptongullas a torquay fan i am actually embarrassed even reading this thread
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utterly pointless..... yet has nearly 50 comments.
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lankyben wrote:utterly pointless..... yet has nearly 50 comments.
It is a case of people not wanting to post anything negative about the club in any way shape or form Ben which i respect their decisions for doing so however other people DO have some questions like this that they DO want peoples opinions on them so i think it's a valid thread. Yes it has a negative slant on it but it's only like someone posting 'worst tv programme of all time' or 'worst ground in the league' and i don't believe people are being fair on you Ben if i'm honest.
When someone posts a thread entitled 'best player of the season' then we should come on and have a go at them saying that it's pointless!
It is essentially the same scenario. Apparently we aren't allowed an opinion on who we think have had a bad season so far because it's pointless. If it is pointless to anyone out there then don't respond to it and leave the thread for those of us who find it interesting to get others views on the subject.I was going to post a thread entitled,' WORST AWAY FANS TO VISIT PLAINMOOR THIS SEASON' but i reckon it might be a bit pointless.
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Every knows our squad is dump but I don't see how picking out individuals after just over half a season and saying so and so's useless is going to help or benefit anyone.
To say there's 8 players we could do without with is also wrong because then you have to replace each and every one of them as our squad has to be among the smallest in the entire football league already. With who? and how do we pay for them? Magic beans? Jim'll fix it badges? they'll probably be worth a few quid now!
We've got what we've got and it's about making the best of it. Everyone who has been named on this thread has helped us in some way either this season or in the past. i find it difficult to slate individuals at our level. I prefer to look at them as a group and looking where we can improve, I also prefer a flan.
To say there's 8 players we could do without with is also wrong because then you have to replace each and every one of them as our squad has to be among the smallest in the entire football league already. With who? and how do we pay for them? Magic beans? Jim'll fix it badges? they'll probably be worth a few quid now!
We've got what we've got and it's about making the best of it. Everyone who has been named on this thread has helped us in some way either this season or in the past. i find it difficult to slate individuals at our level. I prefer to look at them as a group and looking where we can improve, I also prefer a flan.
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[quote="royalgull"]Every knows our squad is dump but I don't see how picking out individuals after just over half a season and saying so and so's useless is going to help or benefit anyone. To say there's 8 players we could do without with is also wrong because then you have to replace each and every one of them as our squad has to be among the smallest in the entire football league already. With who? and how do we pay for them? Magic beans? Jim'll fix it badges? they'll probably be worth a few quid now!
We've got what we've got and it's about making the best of it. Everyone who has been named on this thread has helped us in some way either this season or in the past. i find it difficult to slate individuals at our level. I prefer to look at them as a group and looking where we can improve, I also prefer a flan.[/quote]
It's not Royal but Ben can post it if he's genuinely interested in peoples responses. Most posts aren't slating the players that each poster has identified in their list just merely having a view on them so far this season. If we lost the next 10 games 8 - nil then obviously we would have done so because many players would be putting in shockers each week. Would the more conservative amongst us not feel a slight urge to post views on players then displaying their disatisfaction? ( after all we do this after each game anyway saying he was off colour or so and so had a poor game ) If the answer is no then you're a better man than I.
We've got what we've got and it's about making the best of it. Everyone who has been named on this thread has helped us in some way either this season or in the past. i find it difficult to slate individuals at our level. I prefer to look at them as a group and looking where we can improve, I also prefer a flan.[/quote]
It's not Royal but Ben can post it if he's genuinely interested in peoples responses. Most posts aren't slating the players that each poster has identified in their list just merely having a view on them so far this season. If we lost the next 10 games 8 - nil then obviously we would have done so because many players would be putting in shockers each week. Would the more conservative amongst us not feel a slight urge to post views on players then displaying their disatisfaction? ( after all we do this after each game anyway saying he was off colour or so and so had a poor game ) If the answer is no then you're a better man than I.
Strangely enough it was Pope Gregory the 9th inviting me for drinks aboard his steam yacht, the saucy sue currently wintering in montego bay with the England cricket team and the Balanese Goddess of plenty.
Thats the thing Royal, our squad is not one of the smallest in the league not by a long chalk, we actually have 22 players and if you add Connor Thompson and the two youth lads who have just signed that gives us a squad of 25 players.
Yes improvments to the squad could be funded, chop the squad down to 18 for a start, I think to turn us into a decent Lge 2 team, a creator in the midfield some genuine pace out wide and maybe at the outset someone to back up Rene Howe, so then a further three would have to be moved on to make room. A squad of that size would have to be backed up from the loan market as and when injuries struck.
No I am not a fan of using loan players to be honest, however right now I would prefer that to the utter turgid dross football that is being served up , consistant results, better performances = bums on seats so in a way squad improvments could even fund it self.
Yes improvments to the squad could be funded, chop the squad down to 18 for a start, I think to turn us into a decent Lge 2 team, a creator in the midfield some genuine pace out wide and maybe at the outset someone to back up Rene Howe, so then a further three would have to be moved on to make room. A squad of that size would have to be backed up from the loan market as and when injuries struck.
No I am not a fan of using loan players to be honest, however right now I would prefer that to the utter turgid dross football that is being served up , consistant results, better performances = bums on seats so in a way squad improvments could even fund it self.
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Irrespective of who the worst player is this season has seen some of the worst football served up since Chris Roberts was here.
Genuinely we are completely awful - there is no getting away from it. Burton,Southend,Wimbledon - bloody awful.
Genuinely we are completely awful - there is no getting away from it. Burton,Southend,Wimbledon - bloody awful.
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A good percentage of those are from the youth setup or with the likes of Baker/Artemi previously not realistic options who are I would imagine on next to nothing. Not sure releasing the likes of Halpin, Yeoman and whoever else is going to significantly increase the lee way within the budget to add 2 or 3 better players.
Those 3 you want (and I agree that those are the positions we need to improve) will all cost the most in terms of wages and bonuses to actually sign, more so than any other psoitions on the field if we want half decent ones. Releasing Halpin and Mckenzie isn't going to be able to mean we can sign Zebroski and a midfield player.
Even loans aren't neccesarily free, a lot of loan signings have wage costs between the borrowing club and parent club halved especially again if that player is on a decent salary at his parent club. It's not free.
it's a nightmare trying to do this now to tell the truth, we've got more chance in the summer when contracts expire here and we can chop and change the squad a little bit. Don't get me wrong this is where I think Ling has failed this season, he failed last summer. Not in letting Olejnik and O'Kane go, because we had no choice. But in our attacking signings, they've been dire. Our budget is and was tiny so to chuck pretty much the lot at one player means he has to be a success. If he isn't then you're knackered, that's the problem. We're not a club who can do that. But there you go, even Bodin has cost us £70k and god knows what on wages...he's one of them attackers or wingers with pace. How much is a good one then?!!! It meant we had no room to get anyone else in and were forced to go into the bargain bin and go with the kids. Don't mind playing the kids if they are good enough but if they aren't then it's bad management in my opinion.
Having said that I saw us quite a bit last season and I never thought we were particularly a good side, certainly not as good as the team we had the season before. We had one way of playing, keep it tight at the back, Olejnik have a stormer, O'Kane creat something, Howe/O'Kane/Mansell score win 1-0, repeat. I made the point at the start of the season we wouldn't do that again this year. Mansell and Stevens both got 10 League goals last year (1st time in their careers) so it was ridiculous to expect that to happen again, bonus goals from them two if you get more than 5 especially in Mansell's case. Howe's a good player he'll always get us goals in this league, but O'Kane going meant we lost 10 goals scored roughly plus another 10 or so assists a team likes ours can't lose that from an attacking sense. the biggest loss being Bobby, that's not a go at Poke who is a steady L2 keeper who has got better from a shakey start but he isn't Bobby and that bloke literally won us about 20 points last year easily maybe more. We were a midtable side with a Championship goalkeeper who won us points. this year we're just a midtable side.
PS agree with both comments about the standard of football. Admittedly I don't get to as many games as most but I think we've played well in the games I've seen in about 3 games under Ling in total (Plymouth 2nd half, Oxford away 1st half last year, Accrington at home last year and cheltenham at home in the playoffs) Everything else has been turgid to watch. We dont' pass the ball as nicely, we have fewer attacking threats on the pitch than most teams I've ever seen and we are solely reliant on one bloke to do something to get us a goal. This MUST be addressed.
Those 3 you want (and I agree that those are the positions we need to improve) will all cost the most in terms of wages and bonuses to actually sign, more so than any other psoitions on the field if we want half decent ones. Releasing Halpin and Mckenzie isn't going to be able to mean we can sign Zebroski and a midfield player.
Even loans aren't neccesarily free, a lot of loan signings have wage costs between the borrowing club and parent club halved especially again if that player is on a decent salary at his parent club. It's not free.
it's a nightmare trying to do this now to tell the truth, we've got more chance in the summer when contracts expire here and we can chop and change the squad a little bit. Don't get me wrong this is where I think Ling has failed this season, he failed last summer. Not in letting Olejnik and O'Kane go, because we had no choice. But in our attacking signings, they've been dire. Our budget is and was tiny so to chuck pretty much the lot at one player means he has to be a success. If he isn't then you're knackered, that's the problem. We're not a club who can do that. But there you go, even Bodin has cost us £70k and god knows what on wages...he's one of them attackers or wingers with pace. How much is a good one then?!!! It meant we had no room to get anyone else in and were forced to go into the bargain bin and go with the kids. Don't mind playing the kids if they are good enough but if they aren't then it's bad management in my opinion.
Having said that I saw us quite a bit last season and I never thought we were particularly a good side, certainly not as good as the team we had the season before. We had one way of playing, keep it tight at the back, Olejnik have a stormer, O'Kane creat something, Howe/O'Kane/Mansell score win 1-0, repeat. I made the point at the start of the season we wouldn't do that again this year. Mansell and Stevens both got 10 League goals last year (1st time in their careers) so it was ridiculous to expect that to happen again, bonus goals from them two if you get more than 5 especially in Mansell's case. Howe's a good player he'll always get us goals in this league, but O'Kane going meant we lost 10 goals scored roughly plus another 10 or so assists a team likes ours can't lose that from an attacking sense. the biggest loss being Bobby, that's not a go at Poke who is a steady L2 keeper who has got better from a shakey start but he isn't Bobby and that bloke literally won us about 20 points last year easily maybe more. We were a midtable side with a Championship goalkeeper who won us points. this year we're just a midtable side.
PS agree with both comments about the standard of football. Admittedly I don't get to as many games as most but I think we've played well in the games I've seen in about 3 games under Ling in total (Plymouth 2nd half, Oxford away 1st half last year, Accrington at home last year and cheltenham at home in the playoffs) Everything else has been turgid to watch. We dont' pass the ball as nicely, we have fewer attacking threats on the pitch than most teams I've ever seen and we are solely reliant on one bloke to do something to get us a goal. This MUST be addressed.
[quote="royalgull"]but I don't see how picking out individuals after just over half a season and saying so and so's useless is going to help or benefit anyone.
This why I think in is pointless. This sort of thread has its place at the end of the season. Fact is we need the best out of our players, so for example, contributing to the toxic atmosphere around Billy Bodin is counter-productive. He is a big signing for us. He was identified as the sort of player we needed and the investment made available. He hasn't played well. But we all know he can because we've see him when he is on form. This team is not a bad team but the season is at a tipping point. I just think we can do with out threads like this one.
This why I think in is pointless. This sort of thread has its place at the end of the season. Fact is we need the best out of our players, so for example, contributing to the toxic atmosphere around Billy Bodin is counter-productive. He is a big signing for us. He was identified as the sort of player we needed and the investment made available. He hasn't played well. But we all know he can because we've see him when he is on form. This team is not a bad team but the season is at a tipping point. I just think we can do with out threads like this one.
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And most comments are people taking the pee out of this dumb topic.lankyben wrote:utterly pointless..... yet has nearly 50 comments.
I have no problem with threads such as this if it means negativity is aired on here rather than on match days.
For me - the worst player this year has been the 12th man (the Fans). Although it is a minority - it is an ever increasing minority who bring their negative attitude to home games and make it a far easier environment for the away team. Try getting behind the team rather than your moronic agenda of negativity - sat there waiting gleefully for a pass to go astray so you can wade in with your destructiveness. It is sickening to me!
For me - the worst player this year has been the 12th man (the Fans). Although it is a minority - it is an ever increasing minority who bring their negative attitude to home games and make it a far easier environment for the away team. Try getting behind the team rather than your moronic agenda of negativity - sat there waiting gleefully for a pass to go astray so you can wade in with your destructiveness. It is sickening to me!
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Good points Royal although I would question whether it is appropriate to mention Jim’ll Fix it and kids in the same thread. I did hear that the Gulls Shop are stocking a Jimmy Saville memorial tracksuit. They have an adult size top but you have to squeeze into kids bottoms.
Agree with you Bobby assessment. As for Mr B Bodin, he is surely turning into our very own Fernando Torres?
Agree with you Bobby assessment. As for Mr B Bodin, he is surely turning into our very own Fernando Torres?
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Royal, our starting squad of 22 does not include Baker or Artemi who has now gone from the club, and only includes 2 first year pros. List taken from summer overview.
GK: Martin Rice - June 2013
GK: Michael Poke - June 2014
DF: Joe Oastler - June 2013
DF: Kevin Nicholson - June 2014
DF: Brian Saah - June 2013
DF: Daniel Leadbitter - June 2013
DF: Kirtys McKenzie - June 2013?
DF: Tom Cruise - June 2013
DF: Aaron Downes - June 2013
MF: Lee Mansell - June 2014
MF: Damon Lathrope - June 2014
MF: Lloyd Macklin - June 2013
MF: Ian Morris - June 2013
MF: Danny Stevens - June 2013
MF: Nathan Craig - June 2014
MF: Saul Halpin - June 2013
MF: Niall Thompson - June 2013?
MF: Craig Easton - June 2013
FW: Rene Howe - June 2013
FW: Ashley Yeoman - June 2013
FW: Ryan Jarvis - June 2013
FW: Billy Bodin - June 2014
The rest of them are all fully fledged pro's, dont want this to go to off topic as there is already a thread on out of contract players, however to much is being made of us being potless, skint. Yes I accept we do have a limited budget but lets look at Cheltenham good comparison, their ave gate for last term was about 100 higher than ours, so fair to say are working of a similar budget.
They can afford to pay for genuine pace in Mohamed and McGlashen and keep hold of Pack, they also managed to pay £30k for Zebroski and afford his wages even sacked him, they are in line for automatic promotion and have a playing squad of 19 smaller than our own.
Yes I am fully aware loans are not free, there is often a one off loan fee to pay, plus depending on lenght of loan period a % of the wages. Agreed we cant do nothing to the summer, firstly as already said cut out the dead wood sorry dont see the point of carrying on with Rice,Halpin,Yoeman etc, yes that will not save much but would release funds for loan top ups, then we will have to look at re-balancing things, to afford the right players 1-2 of our highest earners would have to go. These players in my eyes have done nothing wrong but we have to many that do the same job and offer little pace wise in a system that requires it, so I would be looking at Stevens and Morris.
My suggestion would be a smaller squad, with the priority on quailty rather than quantity that would make affordable.
GK: Martin Rice - June 2013
GK: Michael Poke - June 2014
DF: Joe Oastler - June 2013
DF: Kevin Nicholson - June 2014
DF: Brian Saah - June 2013
DF: Daniel Leadbitter - June 2013
DF: Kirtys McKenzie - June 2013?
DF: Tom Cruise - June 2013
DF: Aaron Downes - June 2013
MF: Lee Mansell - June 2014
MF: Damon Lathrope - June 2014
MF: Lloyd Macklin - June 2013
MF: Ian Morris - June 2013
MF: Danny Stevens - June 2013
MF: Nathan Craig - June 2014
MF: Saul Halpin - June 2013
MF: Niall Thompson - June 2013?
MF: Craig Easton - June 2013
FW: Rene Howe - June 2013
FW: Ashley Yeoman - June 2013
FW: Ryan Jarvis - June 2013
FW: Billy Bodin - June 2014
The rest of them are all fully fledged pro's, dont want this to go to off topic as there is already a thread on out of contract players, however to much is being made of us being potless, skint. Yes I accept we do have a limited budget but lets look at Cheltenham good comparison, their ave gate for last term was about 100 higher than ours, so fair to say are working of a similar budget.
They can afford to pay for genuine pace in Mohamed and McGlashen and keep hold of Pack, they also managed to pay £30k for Zebroski and afford his wages even sacked him, they are in line for automatic promotion and have a playing squad of 19 smaller than our own.
Yes I am fully aware loans are not free, there is often a one off loan fee to pay, plus depending on lenght of loan period a % of the wages. Agreed we cant do nothing to the summer, firstly as already said cut out the dead wood sorry dont see the point of carrying on with Rice,Halpin,Yoeman etc, yes that will not save much but would release funds for loan top ups, then we will have to look at re-balancing things, to afford the right players 1-2 of our highest earners would have to go. These players in my eyes have done nothing wrong but we have to many that do the same job and offer little pace wise in a system that requires it, so I would be looking at Stevens and Morris.
My suggestion would be a smaller squad, with the priority on quailty rather than quantity that would make affordable.
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royalgull wrote:Cheltenham have played Spurs and Everton as well as going to a playoff final in the last year.
Indeed Royal.However their match against Everton was this season so will not be in there budget untill next, their match with Spurs would have helped their cause no end, but on ave gates of 3,000 will not last them forever nor a life changing amount of money for them.
We have had two playoff semi finals, two play-off finals and the F.A Trophy final all shown on T.V, so their playoff would not have made them that much money trust me, we also had an F.A Cup tie against Yoevil screened on BBC, a nice little bonus from Setanta, and grossed over £600,000 in transfer fees over the last 5 years.
Yep our club has pumped most of that back into the club, Bristows Bench, training ground etc, get that, but what have Cheltenham done over the last few years, oh yes, rebuilt three sides of their ground and developed a training ground, so the comparison stacks up quite well really.
Point is you can bury your head in the sand and cry we have no money, then give extended trials to a player from S.D.L side Stoke Gabriel, or you can take a punt on Kiad Mohamed.
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